An Afternoon with Ta-Nehisi Coates discussing his book, "The Message."Please note:-- Tickets are non refundable and are not transferable.-- Tickets cannot be re-sold on re-seller platforms. Re-sold ticket will not be honored.-- All ticket holders should be ready to show ID at the event.-- The name(s) you provide during registration will be on a will-call list at the event, where you will check-in and get your ticket to enter the theatre.----------------------------------------------------------Join us for an in-person and virtual* Live Talks Los Angeles event:Sunday, October `27, 2024, 4pm*Virtual event airs on November 1 at 6pm PT/9pm ETAn Afternoon with Ta-Nehisi Coatesdiscussing his book, The MessageTICKETS:$50 General Admission ticket + copy of the book$75 Two General Admisison tickets + ONE copy of the bookAdditional books available for purchase at eventFace masks recommendedThe virtual version of this event airs onNovember 1, at 6pm PT/9PM ET and is available on video-on-demand for five days.Tickets for the virtual event can be purchased here (includes the signed book)ASL interpreter provided upon request.Free parking at the venueThe #1 New York Times bestselling author of Between the World and Me journeys to three resonant sites of conflict to explore how the stories we tell—and the ones we don’t—shape our Read More ...

Chevalier's community reads program One Book One Block presents Danzy Senna at the Ebell of Los Angeles.One Book, One Block is a quarterly community reads program that encourages conversation and connection through shared reading experiences on Larchmont Blvd!Join Chevalier's Books for our first One Book, One Block Community Reads program! Read Colored Television by Danzy Senna in the month of October, then join the author for a discussion of the book on October 28 at 7 pm at the Ebell of Los Angeles.Admission is free with the purchase of Colored Television from Chevalier's Books, or via the ticket below (your book can then be picked up in store or at the event). Aditional admissions are $10.ABOUT THE BOOKA brilliant take on love and ambition, failure and reinvention, and the racial-identity-industrial complex from the bestselling author of CaucasiaJane has high hopes that her life is about to turn around. After a long, precarious stretch bouncing among sketchy rentals and sublets, she and her family are living in luxury for a year, house-sitting in the hills above Los Angeles. The gig magically coincides with Jane’s sabbatical, giving her the time and space she needs to finish her second novel—a centuries-spanning epic her Read More ...

Bethany Joy Lenz  discussing her memoir, "Dinner for Vampires: Life on a Cult TV Show (While also in an Actual Cult!)"Please note:-- Tickets are non refundable and are not transferable.-- Tickets cannot be re-sold on re-seller platforms. Re-sold ticket will not be honored.-- All ticket holders should be ready to show ID at the event.-- The name(s) you provide during registration will be on a will-call list at the event, where you will check-in and get your ticket to enter the theatre.-----------------------Join us for an in-person and virtual* Live Talks Los Angeles event:Monday, October 28, 2024, 8pm*Virtual event airs on November 2 at 3pm PT/6pm ETAn Evening with Bethany Joy Lenzdiscussing her memoir, Dinner for Vampires: Life on a Cult TV Show (While also in an Actual Cult!)TICKETS:$50 General Admission ticket + signed copy of the book$75 Two General Admisison tickets + one.sigend bookAdditional signed books available for purchase at eventFace masks recommendedThe virtual version of this event airs on September 22, at 3pm PT/6PM ET and is available on video-on-demand for five days.Tickets for the virtual event can be purchased here (includes the signed book)ASL interpreter provided upon request.Free parking at the venueA deliciously witty and inspiring memoir by Read More ...

Join us on Tuesday, Oct 29th to celebrate the launch of Solis by Paola Mendoza.WHO + WHAT: An IRL EVENT with author, film director, activist, and artist, Paola Mendoza, as we discuss her debut novel, Solis. Paola will be joined in conversation with Deputy Director for Transgender Justice with the ACLU’s LGBT & HIV Project, Chase Strangio.WHEN: Doors at 6pm, event starts at 7pm.WHERE: Democracy Center at the Japanese American Museum (100 North Central Ave, LA, CA 90012)HOW:• IRL TICKET RSVP W/ SIGNED BOOK: This ticket guarantees a seat including a book copy available for pick up at the event.• FREE *RSVP*: IRL Event entry based on capacity. Limited Signed copies will be available for purchase during the event. Due to our limited capacity, please only RSVP if you plan to attendSIGNED BOOK ONLY: Can't make it IRL but want a signed copy? Order directly from our site!DirectionsBy CarFrom the 101 Freeway (US-101) Southbound: Take exit 2B for Los Angeles St south 0.1 miles to E 1st St. Make a left on E 1st St. JANM is on your left .3 miles.From the 101 Freeway (US-101) Northbound: Take exit 2B toward Alameda St/Union Station. Left at Alameda St. JANM is Read More ...

New York Times and worldwide bestselling author of Call Me by Your Name, André Aciman comes to the ALOUD stage for the first time...Wednesday, October 30 at 7:00PMRoman Year: A MemoirAndré AcimanIn conversation with David UlinNew York Times and worldwide bestselling author of Call Me by Your Name, André Aciman comes to the ALOUD stage for the first time. Aciman will discuss his new book Roman Year with editor, book critic, and novelist David Ulin.Roman Year is a deeply romantic coming-of-age memoir of Aciman’s time in Rome while on the cusp of adulthood, after his family is expelled from Egypt.

Meet local Indie Authors and take in a workshop and panel discussion on how to create and maintain a diverse, healthy writing career.Celebrate a vibrant world of literature at Anaheim Central Library. Indie Author Day is a literary gathering, hosting a diverse array of activities. Explore the book fair, discovering hidden literary gems. Engage with local authors in autograph sessions and lose yourself in captivating conversations about their work. It's a day dedicated to fostering literary connections, indie authors, and embracing the magic of storytelling in all its forms.1-2 PM Visit Author tables2-3 PM 'Beyond the Cover' - workshop on discovering alternative avenues to publishing other than just print3-4 PM 'Crafting a Writer's Life' - a panel discussion on mindfully creating a healthy, balanced atmosphere to hone your craft4-5 PM Author Social Hour - mingle with the featured authors and participate in a writing prompt activty.

In person author event with Zibby Owens and many of the anthology contributors at Zibby's Bookshop, 1113 Montana Ave, Santa Monica 90403!Zibby's Bookshop is thrilled to celebrate the launch of ON BEING JEWISH NOW! Zibby Owens will be joined by many of the anthology authors including Abby Stern, Amy Ephron, Anna Ephron Harari, Beth Ricanati, Dara Kurtz, David K. Israel, Elizabeth Silver, Jenny Mollen, Joanna Rakoff, Nicola Krauss, Rebecca Keren Jablonski, Shirin Yadegar, Steve Leder, and Toby Rose!About the book:An intimate and hopeful collection of meaningful, smart, funny, sad, emotional, and inspiring essays from today’s authors and advocates about what it means to be Jewish, how life has changed since the attacks on October 7th, 2023, and the unique culture that brings this group together.On October 7th, 2023, Jews in Israel were attacked in the largest pogrom since the Holocaust. It was a day felt by Jews everywhere who came together to process and speak out in ways some never had before. In this collection, 75 contributors speak to Jewish joy, celebration, laughter, food, trauma, loss, love, and family, and the common threads that course through the Jewish people: resilience and humor. Contributors include Mark Feuerstein, Jill Zarin, Steve Leder, Read More ...

Join Rep Club on Wednesday, Nov 6th to celebrate the launch of Gather Me by Glory Edim.WHO & WHAT: Join us for an IRL EVENT with literary tastemaker and thee Well Read Black girl, Glory Edim, as we discuss her inspiring memoir and ode to the power of books, Gather Me. Glory will be joined in conversation with writer + beloved TV producer, Mara Brock Akil.WHEN: Wednesday, November 6, 2024 @ 7pm PST (Doors at 6:30pm, event starts at 7pm)WHERE: In-Person at Rep Club in Los Angeles (3054 S. Victoria Ave LA, CA 90016)HEALTH & SAFETY: For your safety, we ask that you please wear a face covering while indoors for our events.HOW: Reserve an IRL ticket from the drop down below:IRL TICKET W/ SIGNED BOOK: This ticket guarantees a seat including a SIGNED book copy available for pick up at the event.FREE *STANDBY*: IRL Event entry based on capacity. Limited Signed copies will be available for purchase during the event. Due to our limited capacity, please only RSVP if you plan to attend.SIGNED BOOK ONLY: Can't make it IRL but want a signed copy? Order directly from our site!Please email us at info@reparations.club if you have any additional needs, Read More ...

Join us for a fun and insightful discussion, where we explore the 5 Books of Moses with humor and scholarship!Welcome to It Takes Two to Torah Book Talk!Join us at Sinai Temple for an engaging discussion on the fascinating book 'It Takes Two to Torah' with authors, Abigail Pogrebin and Rabbi Dov Lizner.Rabbi Dov Linzer, an Orthodox rabbi, and Abigail Pogrebin, a Reform journalist talk their way through the Five Books of Moses with candor, humor, emotion, personal revelation, and scholarship.What happens when two Jews with very different perspectives meet every week to talk (and argue) through our people’s ancient story and discover how it informs and deepens our current one?This in-person event is a fantastic opportunity to connect with others who share your interest in exploring Jewish teachings. Don't miss out on this enriching experience!

Bel Canto Books + Gold House are delighted to present a conversation with Ellie Yang Camp, Soo Jin Lee, Linda Yoon and Carolyn Huynh.Bel Canto Books + Gold House are delighted to present "Asian American Identity, Solidarity, and Self-Love: A Conversation with Ellie Yang Camp, Soo Jin Lee and Linda Yoon, moderated by Carolyn Huynh."Kindly RSVP so we can plan accordingly. Please stay home if you feel sick.This event will be held indoors at KUBO LB (3976 Atlantic Avenue, Long Beach CA).EVENT SCHEDULE3:45PM - Event check-in begins4:00pm - Welcome & event start4:15-5:00pm - Writers reading, conversation, and Q&A5:00pm-6:00pm - Book signing & shopping time6:00pm - Event endsABOUT THE AUTHORSEllie Yang Camp is an artist and educator from the San Francisco Bay Area. The proud daughter of Taiwanese immigrants, she has been a high-school history teacher, a full-time parent, a calligrapher, an anti-racist educator, and now an author. She has a bachelor’s degree in political science from UC Berkeley and a master’s degree in education from Stanford. (Author photo by Amy Hu)Soo Jin Lee is a licensed marriage and family therapist, executive director of Yellow Chair Collective, and cofounder of Entwine Community. Soo Jin's experiences as an undocumented Asian immigrant have Read More ...

An Evening with Tim Matheson discussing his memoir, "Damn Glad to Meet You: My Seven Decades in the Hollywood Trenches"Please note:-- Tickets are non refundable and are not transferable.-- Tickets cannot be re-sold on re-seller platforms. Re-sold ticket will not be honored.-- All ticket holders should be ready to show ID at the event.-- The name(s) you provide during registration will be on a will-call list at the event, where you will check-in and get your ticket to enter the theatre.----------------------------------------------------------Join us for an in-person and virtual* Live Talks Los Angeles event:Thursday, November 14, 2024, 8:00pm*Virtual event airs on Nov 19 at 6pm PT/9pm ETAn Evening with Tim Mathesondiscussing his memoir, Damn Glad to Meet You: My Seven Decades in the Hollywood TrenchesTICKETS:$50 Reserved Section Seat + signed copy of the book$25 General Admisison ticketAdditional books available for purchase at eventFace masks recommendedThe virtual version of this event airs on Nov 19, at 6pm PT/9PM ET and is available on video-on-demand for five days.Tickets for the virtual event can be purchased here (includes the book)ASL interpreter provided upon request.Free parking at the venueA fun and revealing memoir from acclaimed Hollywood actor Tim MathesonTim Matheson has appeared on television and film Read More ...

The book release event for the highly anticipated project "Letters to Our Sons"You are cordially invited to attend the release party for the highly anticipated project "Letters to Our Sons"Come meet the authors, the photographer & contributing members. Hear whats next for the project & learn how to stay connected. Beverages & refreshments will be provided.We are proud to announce that copies of the book will be availale for purchase! Grab your first edit copy signed by the authors!

Join Rep Club on Sunday, Nov 17th to celebrate the launch of Before the Mango Ripens by Afabwaje Kurian.WHO & WHAT: Join us for an IRL EVENT with author Afabwaje Kurian as we discuss her debut novel, Before the Mango Ripens. Afabwaje will be joined in conversation with fellow author and Assistant Professor of Creative Writing at Chapman University, Jean Chen Ho.WHEN: Sunday, November 17, 2024 @ 2pm PST (Doors at 1:30pm, event starts at 2pm)WHERE: In-Person at Rep Club in Los Angeles (3054 S. Victoria Ave LA, CA 90016)HEALTH & SAFETY: For your safety, we ask that you please wear a face covering while indoors for our events.HOW: Reserve an IRL ticket from the drop down below:IRL TICKET W/ SIGNED BOOK: This ticket guarantees a seat including a SIGNED book copy available for pick up at the event.FREE *STANDBY*: IRL Event entry based on capacity. Limited Signed copies will be available for purchase during the event. Due to our limited capacity, please only RSVP if you plan to attend.SIGNED BOOK ONLY: Can't make it IRL but want a signed copy? Order directly from our site!Please email us at info@reparations.club if you have any additional needs, questions, or accessibility concerns.Set Read More ...

Riley Keough discussing the memoir she finished on behalf of her mother, Lisa Marie Presley, "From Here to the Great Unknown"Please note:-- Tickets are non refundable and are not transferable.-- Tickets cannot be re-sold on re-seller platforms. Re-sold ticket will not be honored.-- All ticket holders should be ready to show ID at the event. Names must match what you provided when registering for this event.-- The name(s) you provide during registration will be on a will-call list at the event, where you will check-in and get your ticket to enter the theatre.---------------------------------------------------------------Join us for an in-person and virtual* Live Talks Los Angeles event:Monday, November 18, 2024, 8pm*Virtual event airs on November 25 at 6pm PT/9pm ETAn Evening with Riley Keoughdiscussing the memoir she finished on behalf of her mother, Lisa Marie Presley,"From Here to the Great Unknown."TICKETS:$55 General Admission ticket + signed copy of the bookAdditional signed books available for purchase at eventFace masks recommendedThe virtual version of this event airs on November 25, at 6pm PT/9PM ET and is available on video-on-demand for five days.Tickets for the virtual event can be purchased here (includes the signed book)ASL interpreter provided upon request.Free parking at the venueBorn to an American Read More ...

Some authors are taking a hard look at society IRL and virtually, pinpointing the ways we come up short in connecting with each other.Some authors are taking a hard look at society IRL and virtually, pinpointing the ways we come up short in connecting with and loving each other. Featuring Ryane Nicole Granados (author of The Aves), PJ Manney (author of the bestselling and Philip K. Dick Award nominated Phoenix Horizon trilogy, (R)EVOLUTION, (ID)ENTITY, and (CON)SCIENCE), and Sarah Rafael Garcia (author, community educator, and performance ethnographer and founder of LibroMobile).WeHo Reads is a literary series presented by the City of West Hollywood. More information and events at www.weho.org/wehoreads. BookSwell, a literary events and media company dedicated to lifting up writers from historically excluded communities, is producing the WeHo Reads 2024 season. Additional support is provided by media partnerships with Book Soup and the Los Angeles Review of Books.

Enjoy an intimate conversation between the award-winning novelist, poet, playwright, and screenwriter Susan Minot and actor, director...Wednesday, November 20 at 7:00PMA conversation between writer Susan Minot and actor/producer Griffin Dunne: Discussing their new booksEnjoy an intimate conversation between the award-winning novelist, poet, playwright, and screenwriter Susan Minot and actor, director, and producer Griffin Dunne. These two close friends will discuss their books. Minot’s engrossing new novel, Don’t Be A Stranger and Griffin Dunne’s poignant memoir, The Friday Afternoon Club.Don’t Be a Stranger is the story of a woman swept into a love affair at mid-life. With spellbinding prose, Minot has crafted a luminous novel about erotic obsession, and the hunger for intimacy, communication, oblivion. Don’t Be a Stranger is a gripping, sensual, and provocative work from one of the most remarkable voices in contemporary fiction.For all its boldface cast of characters and jaw-dropping scenes, The Friday Afternoon Club is no mere celebrity memoir. It is, down to its bones, a family story that embraces the poignant absurdities and best and worst efforts of its loveable, infuriating, funny, and moving characters—its author most of all.

Processing What Happened and Preparing for What's Next2024 is the first presidential election since the January 6th insurrection, raising important questions about what will happen in the days and months after election day on November 5th. Will we have a peaceful transfer of power? Will there be legal and/or illegal attempts to change election outcomes? Given the deep and wide role of religion in our public square — and the Insurrection — what role will religious communities play in fomenting anti-democratic movements and mobilizing pro-democracy coalitions? This event will gather an illustrious group of scholars and leaders to help process what happened — and prepare for what's next.Sponsored by Americans United For Separation of Church and State and USC Knight Program in Media and Religion.Panel 1: Andrew L. Seidel (Constitutional Laywer at Americans United of Separation of Church and State and Author of The Founding Myth and American Crusade), Arlene Sanchez Walsh (Author of Pentecostals in America)Panel 2: ) Rachel Laser (President and CEO at Americans United for Separation of Church and State), Khyati Joshi (Farleigh Dickinson University, Author of White Christian Privilege), and Brad Onishi (Co-host of Straight White American Jesus, Author of Preparing for War),Moderated by Dan Miller Read More ...

An Evening with Josh Brolin discussing his memoir, "From Under the Truck"Please note:-- Tickets are non refundable and are not transferable.-- Tickets cannot be re-sold on re-seller platforms. Re-sold ticket will not be honored.-- All ticket holders should be ready to show ID at the event.-- The name(s) you provide during registration will be on a will-call list at the event, where you will check-in and get your ticket to enter the theatre.----------------------------------------------------------Join us for an in-person and virtual* Live Talks Los Angeles event:Thursday, November 21, 2024, 8pm*Virtual event airs on November 26 at 6pm PT/9pm ETAn Evening with Josh Brolindiscussing his memoir, From Under the TruckTICKETS:$55 General Admission ticket + signed copy of the book$80 Two General Admisison tickets + one.sigend bookAdditional signed books available for purchase at eventFace masks recommendedThe virtual version of this event airs on November 26, at 6pm PT/9PM ET and is available on video-on-demand for five days.Tickets for the virtual event can be purchased here (includes the signed book)ASL interpreter provided upon request.Free parking at the venueA funny, uncanny, unforgettable and un-celebrity memoir from Josh BrolinJosh Brolin was born in 1968 and raised on a ranch in Paso Robles, California. He is a producer, Read More ...

In person author event with Yasmin Fahr and Aishwarya Dyer at Zibby's Bookshop, 1113 Montana Ave, Santa Monica 90403!Zibby's Bookshop is thrilled to host Yasmin Fahr as she celebrates the launch of her new book, Cook Simply, Live Fully. Jen will be joined in conversation by Aishwarya Iyer, Founder and CEO of Brightland!About the book:From New York Times Cooking contributor Yasmin Fahr comes a guide to tackling weeknight dinner, with simple, delicious recipes that suit the needs of even the busiest home cooks.What’s for dinner? It’s a question we ask ourselves most nights—pressed for time or groceries, searching through the fridge for inspiration. Dinner can be a time to unwind and connect with family or friends, but it can also feel like a chore.Recipe developer and cookbook author Yasmin Fahr gets it, and is here to help readers create nourishing meals even when real life seems to have other plans. In Cook Simply, Live Fully she offers 120 recipes for taking the grind out of dinnertime, with dishes that span the range of “too tired to chop vegetables” to “up for a challenge but please make it snappy.”Yasmin’s approach is all about simplicity and flavor while keeping things nutritious and Read More ...

An Evening with Peggy Noonan discussing her book, "A Certain Idea of America: Selected Writings."Please note:-- Tickets are non refundable and are not transferable.-- Tickets cannot be re-sold on re-seller platforms. Re-sold ticket will not be honored.-- All ticket holders should be ready to show ID at the event.-- The name(s) you provide during registration will be on a will-call list at the event, where you will check-in and get your ticket to enter the theatre.----------------------------------------------------------Join us for an in-person and virtual* Live Talks Los Angeles event:Thursday, December 5, 2024, 8:00pm*Virtual event airs on Dec 10 at 6pm PT/9pm ETAn Evening with Peggy Noonandiscussing her book, A Certain Idea of America: Selected WritingsTICKETS:$50 General Admission ticket + signed copy of the book$75 Two General Admisison tickets + ONE signed bookAdditional books available for purchase at eventFace masks recommendedThe virtual version of this event airs on Dec 10, at 6pm PT/9PM ET and is available on video-on-demand for five days.Tickets for the virtual event can be purchased here (includes the book)ASL interpreter provided upon request.Free parking at the venueFrom Pulitzer-prize winning Wall Street Journal columnist and New York Times bestselling author Peggy Noonan, a masterclass in how to see and love Read More ...

What makes a memory? What makes an idol? Through what queer lenses do we examine ourselves and our community?What makes a memory? What makes an idol? Through what lens do we examine ourselves and our community?This discussion brings together a poet and author, a photographer, and a culture writer to discuss how they point a critical lens at themselves and their community. Charles Jensen is the author of Splice of Life: A Memoir in 13 Film Genres (Santa Fe Writer’s Project 2024) and the collection of poetry Instructions between Takeoff and Landing (University of Akron Press 2022). Manuel Betancourt is the author of The Male Gazed: On Hunks, Heartthrobs, and What Pop Culture Taught Me About (Desiring) Men (Penguin Random House 2024). Aaron Jay Young is a portrait photographer and the author of Queen (Padlock Publishing 2023). The event will open with an original poem read by Jen Cheng, current West Hollywood City Poet Laureate and author of Braided Spaces (2023).WeHo Reads is a literary series presented by the City of West Hollywood. More information and events at www.weho.org/wehoreads. BookSwell, a literary events and media company dedicated to lifting up writers from historically excluded communities, is producing the WeHo Reads Read More ...

An Evening with Eric Idle discussing his book, "The Spamalot Diaries"Please note:-- Tickets are non refundable and are not transferable.-- Tickets cannot be re-sold on re-seller platforms. Re-sold ticket will not be honored.-- All ticket holders should be ready to show ID at the event.-- The name(s) you provide during registration will be on a will-call list at the event, where you will check-in and get your ticket to enter the theatre.----------------------------------------------------------Join us for an in-person and virtual* Live Talks Los Angeles event:Tuesday, January 28, 2024, 8pm*Virtual event airs on February 2 at 3pm PT/6pm ETAn Evening with Eric Idlediscussing his book, The Spamalot DiariesTICKETS:$50 General Admission ticket + signed copy of the book (for pick up at the event)$57 General Admission ticket + signed copy of the book (ships week of Oct 28)$75 Two General Admisison tickets + one sigend book (for pick up at the event)Additional signed books available for purchase at eventFace masks recommendedThe virtual version of this event airs on February 2, 2025, at 3pm PT/6PM ET and is available on video-on-demand for five days.Tickets for the virtual event can be purchased here (includes the signed book)ASL interpreter provided upon request.Free parking at the venueFrom comedy Read More ...

An Evening with Kristin Hannah on the writing life and the occasion of the 10th anniversary of her novel, "The Nightingale."Please note:-- Tickets are non refundable and are not transferable.-- Tickets cannot be re-sold on re-seller platforms. Re-sold ticket will not be honored.-- All ticket holders should be ready to show ID at the event.-- The name(s) you provide during registration will be on a will-call list at the event, where you will check-in and get your ticket to enter the theatre.----------------------------------------------------------Join us for an in-person and virtual* Live Talks Los Angeles event:Tuesday, February 18, 2024, 8pm*Virtual event airs on February 23 at 3pm PT/6pm ETAn Evening with Kristin Hannaha special event for the 10th anniversarylimited edition releaseof her novel, The NightingaleTICKETS:$55 General Admission ticket + signed* copy of the book$80 Two General Admission tickets + ONE signed* copy of the book$90 General Admisison ticket +TWO sigend books -- The Nightingale and The Women*Tickets include a signed limited 10th Anniversary Edition with foil and embossing, gorgeous designed edges, a ribbon bookmark, exclusive four color endpapers, and a decorative, gold foil stamp on the front case. This special edition hardcover jacket will be revealed in October.Face masks recommendedAdditional signed books available Read More ...

Fae lords. Sexy vampires. Elusive immortals. Enemies to lovers. Badass heroines. If this is your dream--Romantasy BookCon is your realm.Please note that all convention activities are 18+. Evening activities are 21+.Come celebrate a weekend of Romantasy with200+ incrdible authors and bookish vendorsAward winning narratorsFabulous cosplayersPanels, workshops, author Q&AsMurder Mystery PerformanceRealm of Romantasy NightMasquerade BallThemed cocktails and mocktailsPlease note that all ticket sales are considered final.